Comments on: A little more conversation with dialog http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/ helping you implement HTML5 today Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:44:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: » HTML5 Dialog Element for Chat Clarity Blogs http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-14993 » HTML5 Dialog Element for Chat Clarity Blogs Thu, 12 May 2011 22:02:24 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-14993 [...] of the cool things I found out about during the project was the HTML5 Dialog Element The dialog element represents a conversation, meeting minutes, a chat transcript, [...] [...] of the cool things I found out about during the project was the HTML5 Dialog Element The dialog element represents a conversation, meeting minutes, a chat transcript, [...]

]]> By: 增强网站可访问性的25种方法 | 进步博客 http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-14905 增强网站可访问性的25种方法 | 进步博客 Wed, 27 Apr 2011 08:48:17 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-14905 [...] HTML5曾创建了dialog元素，但后来又去掉了。目前规范建议使用段落元素来标记会话。 [...] [...] HTML5曾创建了dialog元素，但后来又去掉了。目前规范建议使用段落元素来标记会话。 [...]

]]> By: Adam Boarman's dot com » Blog Archive » The dl element http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-5648 Adam Boarman's dot com » Blog Archive » The dl element Thu, 24 Jun 2010 08:11:59 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-5648 [...] you’re not describing the speaker, but rather stating what they said. With the demise of <dialog>, conversations have no specific markup element. Instead, the specification makes recommendations of [...] [...] you’re not describing the speaker, but rather stating what they said. With the demise of <dialog>, conversations have no specific markup element. Instead, the specification makes recommendations of [...]

]]> By: Cole Henley http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-5587 Cole Henley Mon, 14 Jun 2010 22:31:42 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-5587 For purpose of completeness - in case anyone <a href="http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=3858&to=3859" rel="nofollow">missed the memo</a> - the dialog element was dropped from the HTML5 spec in <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/" title="4 March 2010" rel="nofollow">the latest draft</a> For purpose of completeness – in case anyone missed the memo – the dialog element was dropped from the HTML5 spec in the latest draft

]]> By: jethro larson http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-2453 jethro larson Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:35:20 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-2453 <b>dialog</b> to a user interface developer does not mean discourse, but an input window often floating above the main UI layer [1] . Web developers are not English majors so we don't tend to think of things in literary terms. And literary people would use "dialogue" because they're not dunces. The current spec of <b>dialog</b> will cause a lot of misuse of this element. I would recommend changing it to "dialogue" or something entirely different. Now a <b>dialog box</b> element would be useful since they're pretty common on the web right now. It would be similar to section in allowing header/footer. It would be hidden by default, except when the target of a link, similar to how the "details"[2] element is supposed to work. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog_box [2]: http://html5doctor.com/dd-details-wrong-again/ dialog to a user interface developer does not mean discourse, but an input window often floating above the main UI layer [1] . Web developers are not English majors so we don’t tend to think of things in literary terms. And literary people would use “dialogue” because they’re not dunces. The current spec of dialog will cause a lot of misuse of this element. I would recommend changing it to “dialogue” or something entirely different.

Now a dialog box element would be useful since they’re pretty common on the web right now. It would be similar to section in allowing header/footer. It would be hidden by default, except when the target of a link, similar to how the “details”[2] element is supposed to work.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialog_box
[2]: http://html5doctor.com/dd-details-wrong-again/

]]> By: Comment utiliser les listes de définitions ? | Les intégristes http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-2104 Comment utiliser les listes de définitions ? | Les intégristes Thu, 07 Jan 2010 10:58:56 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-2104 [...] de définitions ne doivent pas servir à mettre en forme un dialogue, puisqu’initialement la balise : <dialog> devait servir à cet effet. Cette balise ayant été retirée en septembre dernier sans être (encore ?) remplacée. On reste [...] [...] de définitions ne doivent pas servir à mettre en forme un dialogue, puisqu’initialement la balise : <dialog> devait servir à cet effet. Cette balise ayant été retirée en septembre dernier sans être (encore ?) remplacée. On reste [...]

]]> By: Clamcake Jones http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-2077 Clamcake Jones Mon, 04 Jan 2010 13:30:45 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-2077 What to do with threaded conversations? Google Wave or any bulletin board (bb) / forum software, out of the box, provides threaded conversations. Were threaded conversations not anticipated? They have been a mainstay of out of the box bb / forum software since before 2004. HTML5 seems to be very publisher centric with it's "article", "sections", and "aside" tags. It does not appear to have fully thought through an actual human interaction with the "article" or the other humans and their interactions. With HTML5, Is there any means for keeping track of an entire conversation and it's divergences (threads)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software What to do with threaded conversations? Google Wave or any bulletin board (bb) / forum software, out of the box, provides threaded conversations. Were threaded conversations not anticipated? They have been a mainstay of out of the box bb / forum software since before 2004.

HTML5 seems to be very publisher centric with it’s “article”, “sections”, and “aside” tags. It does not appear to have fully thought through an actual human interaction with the “article” or the other humans and their interactions.

With HTML5, Is there any means for keeping track of an entire conversation and it’s divergences (threads)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software

]]> By: davux http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-2038 davux Mon, 28 Dec 2009 10:36:32 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-2038 When it comes to styling <dialog/> (or a <dl/>, actually), it's a problem that the only association between an author and what they say is the order. This prevents e.g. each intervention to be enclosed in a box. I think the idea of markup languages is to associate elements by enclosing them in a common container element, <strong>not</strong> by relying on them being siblings. One (semantically and practically) sensible way of describing a dialog would be something like: <dialog> <turn> <author>Bob</author><discourse>Hi</discourse> </turn> <turn> <author>Mary</author><discourse>Hello Bob.</discourse> </turn> ... </dialog> When it comes to styling <dialog/> (or a <dl/>, actually), it’s a problem that the only association between an author and what they say is the order. This prevents e.g. each intervention to be enclosed in a box. I think the idea of markup languages is to associate elements by enclosing them in a common container element, not by relying on them being siblings.

One (semantically and practically) sensible way of describing a dialog would be something like:
<dialog>
<turn>
<author>Bob</author><discourse>Hi</discourse>
</turn>
<turn>
<author>Mary</author><discourse>Hello Bob.</discourse>
</turn>
…
</dialog>

]]> By: » Making a case for the dialog element in HTML 5 | The Pink Crow http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-1131 » Making a case for the dialog element in HTML 5 | The Pink Crow Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-1131 [...] this was the suggestion for how to use <dialog>: <dialog> <dt>Brenda</dt> <dd>I love Coco Wheats!</dd> [...] [...] this was the suggestion for how to use <dialog>: <dialog> <dt>Brenda</dt> <dd>I love Coco Wheats!</dd> [...]

]]> By: A squirrel has turned me into a cartoon : akamike http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/#comment-1093 A squirrel has turned me into a cartoon : akamike Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:39:31 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=707#comment-1093 [...] comic is in response to the recent removal of, and failed alternative solution to, dialog. I wrote about dialog on HTML5Doctor not too long before this change, and was not best pleased by the replacement. Now, [...] [...] comic is in response to the recent removal of, and failed alternative solution to, dialog. I wrote about dialog on HTML5Doctor not too long before this change, and was not best pleased by the replacement. Now, [...]

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