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	<title>Comments on: Measure up with the meter tag</title>
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		<title>By: HTML5: tag nuovi e anteprima delle innovazioni &#124; paitadesignblog</title>
		<link>http://html5doctor.com/measure-up-with-the-meter-tag/comment-page-1/#comment-2383</link>
		<dc:creator>HTML5: tag nuovi e anteprima delle innovazioni &#124; paitadesignblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meter definisce le unità di misura [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 4 features of html5 to look out for - Technoclasm</title>
		<link>http://html5doctor.com/measure-up-with-the-meter-tag/comment-page-1/#comment-1708</link>
		<dc:creator>4 features of html5 to look out for - Technoclasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meter represents a measurement, such as disk usage. Nice &#8211; this will help (support:  http://html5doctor.com/measure-up-with-the-meter-tag/) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] meter represents a measurement, such as disk usage. Nice &#8211; this will help (support:  <a href="http://html5doctor.com/measure-up-with-the-meter-tag/)" rel="nofollow">http://html5doctor.com/measure-up-with-the-meter-tag/)</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fazal</title>
		<link>http://html5doctor.com/measure-up-with-the-meter-tag/comment-page-1/#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about using meter for pagination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about using meter for pagination?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Lawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Lawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Workman wrote an interesting blog post about the difficulties of styling the meter tag http://www.steveworkman.com/web-design/html-5-web-design/2009/my-problem-with-html-5-styling-meter/ which led me to experiment http://people.opera.com/brucel/dev/html5-meter-style.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Workman wrote an interesting blog post about the difficulties of styling the meter tag <a href="http://www.steveworkman.com/web-design/html-5-web-design/2009/my-problem-with-html-5-styling-meter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.steveworkman.com/web-design/html-5-web-design/2009/my-problem-with-html-5-styling-meter/</a> which led me to experiment <a href="http://people.opera.com/brucel/dev/html5-meter-style.html" rel="nofollow">http://people.opera.com/brucel/dev/html5-meter-style.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Menzer</title>
		<link>http://html5doctor.com/measure-up-with-the-meter-tag/comment-page-1/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Menzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Christmas calendar usage is a tricky one. At first glance, it seemed an incorrect usage to me, because the range of days that 30 is a value of seems to be arbitrarily 366. The defining aspect of a correct usage of meter is that is denotes a value that is a fraction or portion of a range. 

When I considered it further, I realized that the farthest you can be from any Christmas is 366 days, and so with some thought, there is a known range. I think the article might be better served if this is explicitly noted, because meter will &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; work with just any countdown, such as a countdown to a specific, non-reoccurring date. &quot;December 25, 2009 is in 30 days!&quot; is not a correct usage of meter: until the date of the creation of the universe is known, there is no maximum of the number of days you can be prior to December 25, 2009 that can be known. Furthermore, if the sentence happened to be further semantically marked up, with &quot;Christmas&quot; being wrapped in either an hcal date format or a &lt;code&gt;&lt;time&gt;&lt;/code&gt; as the specific Christmas being referred to, the usage would become incorrect. 

In fact, since a specific date can be inferred from the number of days indicated, it could be argued that &quot;Christmas&quot; in your example does indeed refer to a specific date, and then your example would be incorrect again. If you want to keep the example, you might want to disambiguate it, by saying something like &quot;A Christmas is in 30 days!&quot;...

My head hurts. The point is that &lt;code&gt;&lt;meter&gt;&lt;/code&gt; should really just be reserved for indicating clear fractions and percentages with a very clear and definite maximum and minimum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Christmas calendar usage is a tricky one. At first glance, it seemed an incorrect usage to me, because the range of days that 30 is a value of seems to be arbitrarily 366. The defining aspect of a correct usage of meter is that is denotes a value that is a fraction or portion of a range. </p>
<p>When I considered it further, I realized that the farthest you can be from any Christmas is 366 days, and so with some thought, there is a known range. I think the article might be better served if this is explicitly noted, because meter will <b>not</b> work with just any countdown, such as a countdown to a specific, non-reoccurring date. &#8220;December 25, 2009 is in 30 days!&#8221; is not a correct usage of meter: until the date of the creation of the universe is known, there is no maximum of the number of days you can be prior to December 25, 2009 that can be known. Furthermore, if the sentence happened to be further semantically marked up, with &#8220;Christmas&#8221; being wrapped in either an hcal date format or a <code>&lt;time&gt;</code> as the specific Christmas being referred to, the usage would become incorrect. </p>
<p>In fact, since a specific date can be inferred from the number of days indicated, it could be argued that &#8220;Christmas&#8221; in your example does indeed refer to a specific date, and then your example would be incorrect again. If you want to keep the example, you might want to disambiguate it, by saying something like &#8220;A Christmas is in 30 days!&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>My head hurts. The point is that <code>&lt;meter&gt;</code> should really just be reserved for indicating clear fractions and percentages with a very clear and definite maximum and minimum.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Leadbetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Leadbetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bartek meter is an inline element and will appear as plain text unless you use some css to jazz it up if you want.

@Cennydd Thanks for that. It never occurred to me.</description>
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<p>@Cennydd Thanks for that. It never occurred to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Hickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Hickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can do:

&lt;code&gt;&lt;meter min=0 high=100 max=101 value=...&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

...and use &quot;101&quot; as the &quot;beyond 100&quot; value, but it&#039;s a bit of a hack.</description>
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<p><code>&lt;meter min=0 high=100 max=101 value=...&gt;</code></p>
<p>&#8230;and use &#8220;101&#8243; as the &#8220;beyond 100&#8243; value, but it&#8217;s a bit of a hack.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@David, Thanks for the spot should now be corrected.

@Cennydd, yeah that&#039;s a good point about being able to go over 100%, you got any thoughts on which element would be more appropriate?

Maybe Hixie would like to comment on what should happen in this instance, or what element he&#039;d use, though he said above it&#039;s the perfect example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@David, Thanks for the spot should now be corrected.</p>
<p>@Cennydd, yeah that&#8217;s a good point about being able to go over 100%, you got any thoughts on which element would be more appropriate?</p>
<p>Maybe Hixie would like to comment on what should happen in this instance, or what element he&#8217;d use, though he said above it&#8217;s the perfect example?</p>
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		<title>By: Cennydd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cennydd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to note some slight complexity with the JustGiving example (which I helped to design) – although it looks like a &lt;meter&gt; it is in fact open ended. The donations don&#039;t stop when the target is reached; the % can exceed 100, which is marked by the logo glowing around the edges. Thus perhaps &lt;meter&gt; wouldn&#039;t be the best element here.

Minor point which doesn&#039;t detract from a great post, but I suppose it does reinforce the need to look carefully at the variables involve to assess whether they are open or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to note some slight complexity with the JustGiving example (which I helped to design) – although it looks like a &lt;meter&gt; it is in fact open ended. The donations don&#8217;t stop when the target is reached; the % can exceed 100, which is marked by the logo glowing around the edges. Thus perhaps &lt;meter&gt; wouldn&#8217;t be the best element here.</p>
<p>Minor point which doesn&#8217;t detract from a great post, but I suppose it does reinforce the need to look carefully at the variables involve to assess whether they are open or not.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 16:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>little typo:
title&quot;days&quot;
should be:
title=&quot;days&quot;

Thank you, I&#039;m learning a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>little typo:<br />
title&#8221;days&#8221;<br />
should be:<br />
title=&#8221;days&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, I&#8217;m learning a lot.</p>
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