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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 14:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard Clark</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The Doctor is in with another round of patient questions about <abbr>HTML</abbr>5. This week, we'll cover offline viewing on requests, the drag-and-drop <abbr>API</abbr>, using <code>href</code> on any element, the <code>&#60;figure&#62;</code> element, and headings.</p>]]></description>
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<p><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/html5doctor-treatment.gif" alt="Doctor treating a patient illustration" class="alignright size-full wp-image-424" /> The Doctor is in with another round of patient questions about <abbr>HTML</abbr>5. This week, we&#8217;ll cover offline viewing on requests, the drag-and-drop <abbr>API</abbr>, using <code>href</code> on any element, the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element, and headings.</p>
<h2>Offline viewing on requests</h2>
<p>Johan asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>It is possible to let Firefox 3.5/3.6 save a page for offline viewing with the manifest file?<br />
In that case Firefox asks for permission to save the site the same second you arrive – not very user-friendly.</p>
<p>Is it possible to send the save-it-locally request via Javascript on a click?</p>
<p>Basically I want a link/button which will fire the request – and not on document load.</p>
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<p>While it isn&#8217;t possible to make Firefox 3.5/3.6 save a page for offline viewing with the manifest file, there is <em>a</em> way to do this. It all depends on how you write the &#8220;save-it-locally request&#8221; code. You have two options:</p>
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<li>If you want to store an arbitrary document that is not explicitly listed in your manifest, you could run an Ajax request for that document and store its contents in <code>localStorage</code>. When you want to view that document, load it from <code>localStorage</code> and overlay it on the existing page.</li>
<li>Dynamically manage a manifest file for individual users, so that if a user requests a new file that isn&#8217;t in their manifest, register this on the server side and add it to the manifest — which is bespoke to this specific user — on the fly.</li>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re seeing with regards to the permissions error. When I test the manifest (offline **cache**), it doesn&#8217;t ask twice.</p>
<p><small>Note: you asked about Firefox 3.5 — the offline manifest doesn&#8217;t work properly at all in this version.</small></p>
<p>Thanks, Remy</p>
<h2>Question about dragging</h2>
<p>Marc asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Evening,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to get my head around the drag and drop (DnD) possibilities of <abbr>HTML</abbr>5. I have a &#8220;simple&#8221; task: Read the content of a <abbr>XML</abbr> file, using JavaScript, and do some manipulations of he <abbr>XML</abbr>. Without the use of server side scripts.</p>
<p>I tried my way with Google, but apart from people complaining about the DnD specs, I wasn&#8217;t able to find much insightful informations.</p>
<p>Can you point me toward resources to understand the DnD possibilities of <abbr>HTML</abbr>5?</p>
<p>Thank you Doctor, a French canadian <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 fan <img src='http://html5doctor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>Absolutely! There&#8217;s actually an <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 Doctor article covering <a href="http://html5doctor.com/native-drag-and-drop/">native drag-and-drop</a>. It also includes links for further reading and related posts (such as accessibility experiments).</p>
<p>I hope that helps.</p>
<p>Cheers, Remy</p>
<h2>About the <code>href</code> on any element</h2>
<p>Luan asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve heard a long ago that href would work in any tag, such as a <code>&lt;p href="..."&gt;</code> or a <code>h1</code>, even a <code>div</code> and others&#8230; but I don&#8217;t see anything about this in the last days. Do you know if this is going to work?</p>
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<p>That was in <abbr>XHTML</abbr>2 (on which the <abbr>W3C</abbr> have now stopped work).</p>
<p>The <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 equivalent is to wrap an <code>&lt;a href="..."&gt;</code> around the other tags. It&#8217;s called block-level linking, and we&#8217;ve <a href="http://html5doctor.com/block-level-links-in-html-5/">written an article</a> about it.</p>
<p>Cheers, Bruce</p>
<h2><abbr>W3C</abbr> Validator for the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element</h2>
<p>Fjpoblam asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>I have a (prospective) structure containing 8 figures: each an image with a caption. My goal is an image gallery, each image clickable toward an individual htm file containing a slide show. (In html4 I structured each &#8220;figure&#8221; as a div: figure seemed ideal for the task.)</p>
<p>Problem is, I tried to follow the *validator* hint with a dd for the image and a dt for the caption (each surrounded by an a). Upon doing so, the validator pops up an error. When I try a straight image with a legend, it is also rejected for want of a dd and an optional dt.</p>
<p>What gives? Do you have a hint? Or better, simply, point me doofus to the correct doc so&#8217;s you&#8217;ll &#8220;teach a man to fish&#8221;.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the validator is up to date or not, but you shouldn&#8217;t be using <code>&lt;dd&gt;</code>/<code>&lt;dt&gt;</code> in <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> anymore. Please use <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code>.</p>
<p>See our article on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-figure-figcaption-elements/">the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code> elements</a> for more.</p>
<p>Also see our <a href="http://html5doctor.com/glossary/">glossary</a> for more examples.</p>
<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
<h2>Headings</h2>
<p>Thomas asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Dear Doctors,</p>
<p>you covered the new <code>header</code> tag in an article. The <code>header</code> tag should contain a heading element, like h1-6. So far so good, but how do I structure my headings further on. E.g. I&#8217;ve got this:</p>
<pre><code>&lt;article&gt;
	&lt;header&gt;
		&lt;h1&gt;My major heading&lt;/h1&gt;
		&lt;h2&gt;Subheading&lt;/h2&gt;
		Abstract text...
	&lt;/header&gt;
	... lorem ipsum ....
	&lt;hX&gt;Heading within my article&lt;/hX&gt;
	... dolor sit amet ...
	&lt;hX+1&gt;Subheading in my article&lt;/hX+1&gt;
&lt;/article&gt;</code></pre>
<p>Which heading-level would be appropriate in my example? h1 because it starts again? or h3 because it continues?</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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<p>If the first <code>&lt;hX&gt;</code> is a new subheading and <em>not related</em> to the <code>&lt;h2&gt;</code> already there, then <code>&lt;hX&gt;</code> would be an <code>&lt;h2&gt;</code>. Then <code>&lt;hX+1&gt;</code> would be an <code>&lt;h3&gt;</code> if it is a subheading of the above <code>&lt;h2&gt;</code>.</p>
<p>However, if you&#8217;re splitting the article into sections, then you <em>could</em> use an <code>&lt;h1&gt;</code> each time. See our article on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/">the section element</a> for more.</p>
<p>Thanks, Tom</p>
<h2>Got a question for us?</h2>
<p>That wraps up this round of questions! If you&#8217;ve got a query about the <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 spec or how to implement it, you can <a href="http://html5doctor.com/ask-the-doctor/">get in touch</a> with us and we&#8217;ll do our best to help.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>In traditional printed material like books and magazines, an image, chart, or code example would be accompanied by a caption. Before now, we didn't have a way of semantically marking up this sort of content directly in our <abbr>HTML</abbr>, instead resorting to <abbr>CSS</abbr> class names. <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 hopes to solve that problem by introducing the <code>&#60;figure&#62;</code> and <code>&#60;figcaption&#62;</code> elements. Let's explore!</p>]]></description>
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		</div><p>In traditional printed material like books and magazines, an image, chart, or code example would be accompanied by a caption. Before now, we didn&#8217;t have a way of semantically marking up this sort of content directly in our <abbr>HTML</abbr>, instead resorting to <abbr>CSS</abbr> class names. <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 hopes to solve that problem by introducing the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code> elements. Let&#8217;s explore!</p>

<h2>The <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element</h2>

<p>The <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element is intended to be used in conjunction with the <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code> element to mark up diagrams, illustrations, photos, and code examples (among other things). The spec says this about <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code>:</p>

<blockquote><p>The figure element represents a unit of content, optionally with a caption, that is self-contained, that is typically referenced as a single unit from the main flow of the document, and that can be moved away from the main flow of the document without affecting the document’s meaning.</p><footer><cite><a href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/figure.html">W3C Specification</a></cite></footer></blockquote>

<h2>The <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code> element</h2>

<p>The <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code> element has been the <a href="http://adactio.com/journal/1604/">subject</a> of <a href="http://remysharp.com/2009/08/12/saving-figure-detail/">much</a> <a href="http://html5doctor.com/legend-not-such-a-legend-anymore/">debate</a>. The spec initially wanted to repurpose <code>&lt;legend&gt;</code> rather than introduce a new element. Other suggestions included <code>&lt;label&gt;</code>, <code>&lt;caption&gt;</code>, <code>&lt;p&gt;</code> or the <code>&lt;h1&gt;</code>–<code>&lt;h6&gt;</code> elements. <a href="http://html5doctor.com/legend-not-such-a-legend-anymore/"><code>&lt;legend&gt;</code> was changed</a>, so we then used a combination of <code>&lt;dt&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;dd&gt;</code> inside <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> at <a href="http://twitter.com/adactio">Jeremy&#8217;s</a> suggestion. Most of these suggestions failed since there was no backwards compatibility for styling with <abbr>CSS</abbr>.</p>

<p>Regular readers will know that <a href="http://html5doctor.com/summary-figcaption-element/">a new element was recently introduced</a>, namely <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code>. Who knows if it&#8217;ll stick, but for now here&#8217;s what the spec says about <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code>:</p>

<blockquote><p>The figcaption element represents a caption or legend for a figure.</p><footer><cite><a href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/figcaption.html">W3C Specification</a></cite></footer></blockquote>

<p>The <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code> element is optional and can appear before <em>or</em> after the content within the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code>. Only one <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code> element may be nested within a <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code>, although the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element itself may contain multiple other child elements (e.g., <code>&lt;img&gt;</code> or <code>&lt;code&gt;</code>).</p>

<h2>Using <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;figcaption&gt;</code></h2>

<p>So we&#8217;ve seen what the spec says about these elements. How do we use them? Let&#8217;s look at some examples.</p>

<h3>Figure with an image</h3>

<p>An image within a <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element without a caption:</p>

<figure><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/orang-utan.jpg" alt="Baby Orang Utan hanging from a rope"></figure>

<p>Here&#8217;s the code for that:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;figure&gt;
  &lt;img src="/orang-utan.jpg" alt="Baby Orang Utan hanging from a rope"&gt;
&lt;/figure&gt;</code></pre>

<h3>Figure with an image and caption</h3>

<p>An image within a <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element with an explanatory caption:</p>

<figure><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/macaque.jpg" alt="Macaque in the trees"><figcaption>A cheeky macaque, Lower Kintaganban River, Borneo. Original by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rclark/102352241/in/set-72057594082373448/">Richard Clark</a></figcaption>
</figure>

<p>and the code that we used:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;figure&gt;
  &lt;img src="/macaque.jpg" alt="Macaque in the trees"&gt;
  &lt;figcaption&gt;A cheeky macaque, Lower Kintaganban River, Borneo. Original by &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rclark/"&gt;Richard Clark&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/figcaption&gt;
&lt;/figure&gt;</code></pre>

<h3>A figure with multiple images</h3>

<p>Nesting multiple images within one <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element with a single caption:</p>

<figure class="trptych"><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/kookaburra.jpg" alt="Kooaburra"><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/pelican.jpg" alt="Pelican stood on the beach"><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lorikeet.jpg" alt="Cheeky looking Rainbow Lorikeet"><figcaption>Australian Birds. From left to right, Kookburra, Pelican and Rainbow Lorikeet.<br />Originals by <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rclark/">Richard Clark</a></figcaption>
</figure>

<p>The code:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;figure&gt;
  &lt;img src="/kookaburra.jpg" alt="Kooaburra"&gt;
  &lt;img src="/pelican.jpg" alt="Pelican stood on the beach"&gt;
  &lt;img src="/lorikeet.jpg" alt="Cheeky looking Rainbow Lorikeet"&gt;
  &lt;figcaption&gt;Australian Birds. From left to right, Kookburra, Pelican and Rainbow Lorikeet. Originals by &lt;a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/rclark/"&gt;Richard Clark&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/figcaption&gt;
&lt;/figure&gt;</code></pre>

<h3>Figure with a code block</h3>

<p>The <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element may also be used for code examples:</p>

<figure><blockquote><p><code>&lt;small&gt;&lt;a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike license&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/small&gt;</code></p></blockquote>
<figcaption>Using <code>&lt;small&gt;</code> around a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/choose/" title="Choose a License">Creative Commons license</a> link with <code>rel="license"</code></figcaption></figure>

<p>Here&#8217;s the code for that:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;figure&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;a rel=&quot;license&quot; href=&quot;http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/&quot;&amp;gt;Creative Commons Attribution Share-alike license&amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;figcaption&gt;Using &lt;code&gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&lt;/code&gt; around a &lt;a href="http://creativecommons.org/choose/" title="Choose a License"&gt;Creative Commons license&lt;/a&gt; link with &lt;code&gt;rel="license"&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/figcaption&gt;
&lt;/figure&gt;</code></pre>

<h3>Differences between <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code></h3>

<p><a href="http://html5doctor.com/aside-revisited/">We covered <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code> in an earlier article</a>, but it is important to note the difference between the two. You should choose between <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code> or <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> by asking yourself if the content is essential to understanding the section:</p>

<ul>
  <li>If the content is simply related and not essential, use <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code>.</li>
  <li>If the content is essential but its position in the flow of content isn’t important, use <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code>.</li>
</ul>

<p>Having said that, if its position relates to previous and subsequent content, use a more appropriate element — e.g., a <code>&lt;div&gt;</code>, a plain old <code>&lt;img&gt;</code>, a <code>&lt;blockquote&gt;</code>, or possibly even <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code>, depending on its content.</p>

<h2>Don&#8217;t stop there!</h2>

<p>No need to constrain your <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code>s to images and code examples. Other content suitable for use in <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> includes audio, video, charts (perhaps using <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code> or <code>&lt;svg&gt;</code>), poems, or tables of statistics.</p>

<p>It may not always be appropriate to use the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element, though. For example, a graphic banner should not be marked up with <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code>. Instead, simply use the <code>&lt;img&gt;</code> element.</p>

<h2>Summary</h2>

<p>As we&#8217;ve illustrated in this article, there are a lot of possibilities for the <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> element. Just remember to make sure it&#8217;s the most appropriate element for the job. But you already do that for all your markup, right? <img src='http://html5doctor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Hello, summary and figcaption elements</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Lawson</dc:creator>
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<p>This weekend saw the minting of not one but two new elements. The <code>summary</code> element (<strong>not</strong> the <code>summary</code> <em>attribute</em> on the <code>table</code> element) goes inside the <code>details</code> element:</p>
<pre><code>&lt;details&gt;
&lt;summary&gt;More information&lt;/summary&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here is the source data that is discussed in the article ... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/details&gt;</code></pre>
<p>This is designed to produce an &#8220;expando&#8221; box that is closed by default (but can be open by default using the boolean <code>open</code> attribute), only displaying the text specified by the <code>summary</code> as a control. Activating that control opens the whole <code>details</code> element; re-activating closes it again. If no <code>summary</code> text is present, the browser defaults to the rubric &#8220;details&#8221;. (Added 4 Feb 10:) In browsers that support <code>details</code>, this behaviour does not depend on author scripting, and should work even if JavaScript is disabled or not present.</p>
<p><code>figcaption</code> lives inside the <code>figure</code>:</p>
<pre><code>&lt;figure&gt;
&lt;img ... &gt; (or <code>video</code>, <code>table</code> etc)
&lt;figcaption&gt;A rabid unicorn goring a fairy.&lt;/figcaption&gt;
&lt;/figure&gt;</code></pre>
<p>If you want some history, continue reading. Otherwise, bye bye!</p>
<p>Previously, the <code>legend</code> element was specified to do the job of both. Unfortunately, <a href="/legend-not-such-a-legend-anymore/">every browser had parsing problems</a> re-using it outside forms. Similar problems were encountered attempting to re-use the <code>caption</code> element outside tables. At Jeremy Keith&#8217;s  suggestion, the spec then re-used <code>dd</code> and <code>dt</code>, but <a href="http://html5doctor.com/dd-details-wrong-again/">that breaks too</a>.</p>
<p>Now, two new elements are minted. (I quite fancied one new element &#8211; <code>rubric</code> for both, but it&#8217;s a pretty esoteric word.)</p>
<p>One of the objections to <code>details</code>, as described by Shelley Powers in <a href="http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8379">her bug to remove it</a> is</p>
<blockquote><p>the use of JavaScript for the purpose of expanding or collapsing a section is both well-defined and common among web applications. More importantly, following the concept of progressive enhancement, these types of expanding sections are expanded by default if script is turned off. To have a section that is dynamic but not controlled by script is going to cause confusion, particularly among people who turn scripting off and are assuming that there are no &#8220;expando&#8221; sections in the web page.</p>
<p>In fact, I don&#8217;t see how this element will make developing web applications that much simpler. This type of functionality is trivial with JS.</p>
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<p>My counter-argument was that an expanding/ collapsing area on the page is a very common requirement. I&#8217;ve seen sites pull in a whole JavaScript library just to accomplish this (presumably as the developer was unfamiliar with JS), which bloats the page size for the user. I&#8217;ve seen pages where the &#8220;details&#8221; information is set to <code>display:none</code> by default, and the user cannot expand the information without JS, thereby making the contents inaccessible if JS is not present.</p>
<p>Reinstating this element would be advantageous to developers, who wouldn&#8217;t need to learn JS to accomplish a common task; advantageous to users who would get an accessibility bonus from having this behaviour natively in the browser.</p>
<p>While I like to think that the irrefutable logic of my argument, coupled with the tear-jerking rhetorical flourishes in  my prose captured both the heart and the head of the editor, I suspect what persuaded him was Apple&#8217;s Maciej Stachowiak saying that &#8220;the webkit community&#8221; were interested in implementing <code>details</code> once the spec was nailed down. Implementation wins the day.
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<p><a href="http://html5doctor.com/summary-figcaption-element/" rel="bookmark">Hello, summary and figcaption elements</a> originally appeared on <a href="http://html5doctor.com">HTML5 Doctor</a> on February 1, 2010.</p>
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