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		<title>Your Questions Answered #10</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Richard Clark</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The clinic is getting busy with more  <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 ailments. This week, we'll cover using sections within a footer, <code>&#60;canvas&#62;</code> vs. Flash security, why <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 elements are treated as inline, using offline with storage, and marking up block quotes.</p>]]></description>
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		</div><p><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/html5doctor-treatment.gif" alt="Doctor treating a patient illustration" class="alignright size-full wp-image-424" /> The clinic is getting busy with more  <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 ailments. This week, we&#8217;ll cover using sections within a footer, <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code> vs. Flash security, why <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 elements are treated as inline, using offline with storage, and marking up block quotes.</p>

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<h2>Footer with sections</h2>

<p>Tommie asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi, I&#8217;ll get to the point right away. I want to use, lets say 3 section elements inside a footer each floating left and inside each of this sections I have some standard information. Is this the right way to go, or should I put my section elements outside the footer and only put copyright text etc. inside the footer?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p></blockquote>

<p>You could use a <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> within <code>&lt;footer&gt;</code>. <del>but <code>&lt;footer&gt;</code> is a sectioning root anyway</del> <ins><code>&lt;footer&gt;</code> is flow content and can contain sectioning content.</ins> If you want them to appear in the outline within the footer, then it makes perfect sense to do as you suggest.</p>

<p>See more in Jack&#8217;s article on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-footer-element/">the <code>&lt;footer&gt;</code> element.</a> There are also some more examples in <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/sections.html#the-footer-element">the spec</a>.</p>

<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
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<h2><code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code> vs. Flash (security and copyright)</h2>
<p>John asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m seeing lots of opinions that the <code>canvas</code> element might free us of the Adobe Flash monopoly, but what mechanisms can we use to protect our works when using straight HTML and JavaScript?</p>

<p>Right now I&#8217;m thinking about simple flash games, but I&#8217;m sure this is a concern for others wanting to use (free) <abbr>HTML</abbr> methods to perform functions now reserved more for flash.</p>

<p>Thanks for any input.</p></blockquote>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure of any security mechanisms that we can use to protect <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code> content. It isn&#8217;t really any different than an image or any other type of resource. Having said that, decompilers can circumvent some of Flash&#8217;s security measures as well, so you may not be much worse off using <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code>.</p>

<p>If we come across anything, we&#8217;ll be sure to let you know.</p>

<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
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<h2><abbr>HTML</abbr>5 tags inline?</h2>
<p>Tami asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>So, I&#8217;ve been experimenting with the new <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 elements, and one frustration I have is understanding the native display of the new elements, and how it works within the document flow. So far, experimenting with them has shown them to be very unpredictable. At best, they&#8217;re kind of behaving like a bastard span. They seem to be behaving like inline elements but that seems like it is wrong. In some cases, setting to display: block gives the expected behavior, but on the footer tag, it&#8217;s not interacting with floated elements properly.</p>

<p>So, are these new elements inline or are browsers still just trying to catch up? I tried looking in in the <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 working draft spec, but so far I am not understanding the way its written (<abbr>HTML</abbr>4&#8217;s specs clearly spelled out whether an element was display or inline).</p></blockquote>

<p>Here&#8217;s an article from my personal blog that I wrote a while ago describing <a href="http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2009/why-browsers-treat-html5-elements-as-inline/">why browsers treat <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 elements as inline</a>.</p>

<p>Thanks, Bruce.</p>
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<h2>Offline + Storage</h2>
<blockquote><p>Dear Doctor, I&#8217;m trying to work out if <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 will be able to do the job that I want. I have a number of documents (<abbr>PDF</abbr>, <abbr>PPT</abbr>, etc.) that I want to share with people in my team. These documents may change from time to time. Also, the people may not always be connected online.</p>

<p>Would it be possible to &#8220;cache&#8221; documents in an offline database in the browser so that when they are not connected they can still view them but when they are, they get the latest versions (which also refresh the cache)?</p>

<p>That way I can do a fairly pretty interface for sorting these documents so that they can easily find them.</p>

<p>Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.</p></blockquote>

<p>You <em>can</em>, but I would strongly encourage you to think carefully about whether it&#8217;s worth it.</p>

<p>You can include these &#8220;assets&#8221; in the manifest, which will make the files available to the offline applications (note that this <strong>isn&#8217;t</strong> storage, just caching, which is what you&#8217;re after).</p>

<p>The problem is that when the visitor first hits the page with the manifest — which contains all the <abbr>PDF</abbr>s, <abbr>PPT</abbr>s, etc. — it will download <strong>all</strong> of these files. This is the bit that I&#8217;d encourage you to consider carefully. To compound that, I believe there&#8217;s a 5MB limit on the cache, so you might run into problems if you&#8217;re trying to cache more than that.</p>

<p>I&#8217;ve not covered offline cache on <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 Doctor yet (though it&#8217;s on the list), but I have described the process on my <a href="http://24ways.org/2009/breaking-out-the-edges-of-the-browser">24ways article</a>.</p> 

<p>If there are new versions of the cached files, you need to change the <em>contents</em> of the manifest — e.g., include a version number, which will trigger a download of <strong>all</strong> the assets again.  Not ideal, but that&#8217;s the current situation.</p>

<p>Hope that helps a bit, Remy</p>
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<h2>Correct markup with blockquote</h2>
<p>Phil asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi, in <abbr>HTML</abbr> 4.0 Strict and <abbr>XHTML</abbr> 1.0 Strict, text inside a <code>blockquote</code> element is required to be nested inside another block-level element, e.g. <code>p</code>.</p>

<p>In <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 that requirement seems to have been relaxed, as the following element validates successfully:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is a blockquote.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</code></pre>

<p>The HTML5 spec uses the <code>p</code> element in the usage examples, but does not mention whether it is required.</p>

<p>Can you please confirm if this requirement has now been deprecated?</p></blockquote>

<p>Great question. As I expected, this validates:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;!doctype html&gt;
&lt;meta charset=utf-8&gt;
&lt;title&gt;blockquote test&lt;/title&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Tiger tiger burning bright&lt;/blockquote&gt;</code></pre>

<p>We double-checked with the <abbr>WHATWG</abbr> mailing list and confirmed that <code>&lt;blockquote&gt;</code> can contain &#8216;flow&#8217; content (i.e., text, paragraphs, etc.).</p>

<p>To summarise, it would be valid not to further mark up content within a <code>&lt;blockquote&gt;</code>, but authors are encouraged to use a <code>&lt;p&gt;</code> (or other more appropriate element).</p>

<p>Bruce</p>
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<h2>Got a question for us?</h2>
<p>That wraps up this round of questions! If you&#8217;ve got a query about the <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 spec or how to implement it, you can <a href="http://html5doctor.com/ask-the-doctor/">get in touch</a> with us and we&#8217;ll do our best to help.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Leadbetter</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>We’ve discussed a lot of new elements here at HTML5Doctor, but the <code>article</code> element has somehow escaped the microscope… until now! <code>article</code> is one of the new sectioning elements. It is often confused with <code>section</code> and <code>div</code> but don't worry we'll explain the difference between them.</p>]]></description>
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		</div><p>We’ve discussed a lot of new elements here at HTML5Doctor, but the <code>article</code> element has somehow escaped the microscope… until now! <code>article</code> is one of the new sectioning elements. It is often confused with <code>section</code> and <code>div</code> but don&#8217;t worry we&#8217;ll explain the difference between them.</p>

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<h2>What the spec says</h2>
<p>Thankfully, <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#the-article-element">the spec is short and sweet</a>:</p>

<blockquote><p>The <code>article</code> element represents a component of a page that consists of a self-contained composition in a document, page, application, or site and that is intended to be independently distributable or reusable, e.g. in syndication. This could be a forum post, a magazine or newspaper article, a blog entry, a user-submitted comment, an interactive widget or gadget, or any other independent item of content.</p><footer><cite><a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#the-article-element">W3C Specification</a></cite></footer></blockquote>

<p>In addition to it’s content, an <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> element typically has a heading (often in a header element), and sometimes a footer. The easiest way to conceptualise <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> is to think of it’s use in a weblog, as mentioned in the spec’s examples “a blog entry” and “user-submitted comments.” Here at <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 Doctor, we wrap each weblog entry inside an <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> element. We also use <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> on ‘static’ content pages, like the About and Contact pages, as <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> can be used for “any other independent item of content.” The tricky part is, what exactly is an <em>independent item of content</em>?</p>
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<h2>The smell test for going independent</h2>
<p>An <em>independent</em> piece of content, one suitable for putting in an <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> element, is content that <em>makes sense on it’s own</em>. This yardstick is up to your interpretation, but an easy smell test is <em>would this make sense in an RSS feed?</em> Of course weblog articles and static pages would make sense in a feed reader, and some sites have weblog comment feeds. On the other hand, a feed with each paragraph of this article as a separate post wouldn’t be very useful. The key point here is that the content has to make sense <em>independent of its context</em>, i.e. when all the surrounding content is stripped away.</p>
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<h2>Examples of <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> in use</h2>
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<h3>A bare-bones <code>&lt;article&gt;</code></h3>

<p>We only have a title and some content, but it’s enough to make sense on it’s own (assume there’s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples" title="Apple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia">a lot more content about apples</a> <img src='http://html5doctor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<pre><code>&lt;article&gt;
	&lt;h1&gt;Apple&lt;/h1&gt;
	&lt;p&gt;The &lt;b&gt;apple&lt;/b&gt; is the pomaceous fruit of the apple tree...&lt;/p&gt;
	...
&lt;/article&gt;
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<h3>A weblog-style <code>&lt;article&gt;</code></h3>
<p>A published date leads us to add a <code>&lt;header&gt;</code>, and there’s also content that would be suitable in a <code>&lt;footer&gt;</code> elements.</p>

<pre><code>&lt;article&gt;
  &lt;header&gt;
    &lt;h1&gt;Apple&lt;/h1&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;Published: &lt;time pubdate="pubdate"&gt;2009-10-09&lt;/time&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/header&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;The &lt;b&gt;apple&lt;/b&gt; is the pomaceous fruit of the apple tree...&lt;/p&gt;
  ...
  &lt;footer&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;&lt;small&gt;Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License&lt;/small&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/footer&gt;
&lt;/article&gt;</code></pre>
</section>

<section>
<h3>An <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> with comments as nested <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>s</h3>
<p>This example shows a weblog entry with comments. Each comment can be marked up as an <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> within the containing <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>.</p>  

<pre><code>&lt;article&gt;
  &lt;header&gt;
    &lt;h1&gt;Apple&lt;/h1&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;Published: &lt;time pubdate datetime="2009-10-09"&gt;9th October, 2009&lt;/time&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/header&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;The &lt;b&gt;apple&lt;/b&gt; is the pomaceous fruit of the apple tree...&lt;/p&gt;
  ...
  
  &lt;section&gt;
    &lt;h2&gt;Comments&lt;/h2&gt;
    &lt;article&gt;
      &lt;header&gt;
      &lt;h3&gt;Posted by: Apple Lover&lt;/h3&gt;
      &lt;p&gt;&lt;time pubdate datetime="2009-10-10T19:10-08:00"&gt;~1 hour ago&lt;/time&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;/header&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;I love apples, my favourite kind are Granny Smiths&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;/article&gt;
    
    &lt;article&gt;
      &lt;header&gt;
        &lt;h3&gt;Posted by: Oranges are king&lt;/h3&gt;
        &lt;p&gt;&lt;time pubdate datetime="2009-10-10T19:15-08:00"&gt;~1 hour ago&lt;/time&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
      &lt;/header&gt;
      &lt;p&gt;Urgh, apples!? you should write about ORANGES instead!!1!&lt;/p&gt;
    &lt;/article&gt;
  &lt;/section&gt;
&lt;/article&gt;</code></pre>
</section>

<section>
<h3>An <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> with <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>s</h3>
<p>You can use <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/">the <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> element</a> to split the article into logical groups of content with headings:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;article&gt;
  &lt;h1&gt;Apple varieties&lt;/h1&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;The apple is the pomaceous fruit of the apple tree...&lt;/p&gt;

  &lt;section&gt;
    &lt;h2&gt;Red Delicious&lt;/h2&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;These bright red apples are the most common found in many supermarkets...&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/section&gt;

  &lt;section&gt;
    &lt;h2&gt;Granny Smith&lt;/h2&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;These juicy, green apples make a great filling for apple pies...&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/section&gt;
    
&lt;/article&gt;</code></pre>
</section>

<section>
<h3>A <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> containing <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>s</h3>
<p>Where appropriate a <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> element can contain <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> elements. We already saw this in the comment section example above, and other common examples are the homepage or category pages of a weblog:</p>

<pre><code>&lt;section&gt;
  &lt;h1&gt;Articles on: Fruit&lt;/h1&gt;

  &lt;article&gt;
    &lt;h2&gt;Apple&lt;/h2&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;The apple is the pomaceous fruit of the apple tree...&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/article&gt;

  &lt;article&gt;
    &lt;h2&gt;Orange&lt;/h2&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;The orange is a hybrid of ancient cultivated origin, possibly between pomelo and tangerine...&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/article&gt;

  &lt;article&gt;
    &lt;h2&gt;Banana&lt;/h2&gt;
    &lt;p&gt;Bananas come in a variety of sizes and colors when ripe, including yellow, purple, and red...&lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;/article&gt;
    
&lt;/section&gt;</code></pre>
</section>

<section>
<h3>Using <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> for a widget</h3>
<p>The specification also mentions that an interactive widget can also be an <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>. The example below shows how the markup might look for an embedded widget from somewhere like <a href="http://www.widgetbox.com/">Widgetbox</a>.</p>

<pre><code>&lt;article&gt;
  &lt;h1&gt;My Fruit Spinner&lt;/h1&gt;
  &lt;object&gt;
    &lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;
    &lt;embed src="#" width="600" height="395"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;
  &lt;/object&gt;
&lt;/article&gt;</code></pre>
</section>
</section>

<section>
<h2>The <code>pubdate</code> attribute</h2>
<p>You may have noticed the <code>pubdate</code> attribute in these examples. <code>pubdate</code> is an optional <em>boolean attribute</em> that may be added to one <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-time-element"><code>time</code> element</a> within the <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>. If present it indicates that the <code>&lt;time&gt;</code> element is the date the <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> was published. It can be written in several ways, the most popular being:</p>

<pre><code>pubdate
pubdate="pubdate"</code></pre>

<p>You could think of these as HTML and XHTML-style — the end result is the same so use the style you like. Note that <code>pubdate</code> applies only to the parent <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> element, or to the document as a whole.</p>
</section>

<section>
<h2>The difference between <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;section&gt;</code></h2>
<p>There&#8217;s been <a href="http://adactio.com/journal/1654/">a lot of confusion</a> over the difference (or perceived lack of a difference) between the <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> elements in <abbr>HTML</abbr>5. The <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> element is a specialised kind of <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>; it has a more specific semantic meaning than <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> in that it is <strong>an independent, self-contained</strong> block of related content. We <em>could</em> use <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>, but using <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> gives more semantic meaning to the content.</p>

<p>By contrast <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> is only a block of <em>related</em> content, and <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> is only a block of content. Also as mentioned above the <code>pubdate</code> attribute doesn’t apply to <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>. To decide which of these three elements is appropriate, choose the first suitable option:</p>

<ol>
<li>Would the content would make sense on it’s own in a feed reader? If so use <code>&lt;article&gt;</code></li>
<li>Is the content related? If so use <code>&lt;section&gt;</code></li>
<li>Finally if there’s no semantic relationship use <code>&lt;div&gt;</code></li>
</ol>

<p><a href="http://html5doctor.com/author/brucel">Dr Bruce</a> has written <a href="http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2010/html5-articles-and-sections-whats-the-difference/">HTML5 <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>s and <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>s, what’s the difference?</a>, so we recommend reading that if you are still fuzzy on when to use <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>.</p>
</section>

<section>
<h2>Summary</h2>
<p>Hopefully this post has given you some insight into the correct use of the <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> element. Do you have any other examples that you can share for using <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> in your <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 markup?</p>

<p>I&#8217;m also keen to hear your thoughts on the confusion between the <code>&lt;article&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> elements. Do you think the distinction between the two is clear?</p>
</section><div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-dl-element/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The dl element</a></li><li><a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-time-element/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The time element (and microformats)</a></li><li><a href="http://html5doctor.com/your-questions-answered-4/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Your Questions Answered #4</a></li><li><a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">The section element</a></li><li><a href="http://html5doctor.com/your-questions-answered-6/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Your Questions Answered #6</a></li></ul></div>


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<p><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/html5doctor-treatment.gif" alt="Doctor treating a patient illustration" class="alignright size-full wp-image-424" /> Here we are again with another round of patient questions about <abbr>HTML</abbr>5. In this article, we&#8217;ll be covering AJAX, the eternal question of <code>&lt;div&gt;</code> or <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>, our old friend Internet Explorer, how to mark up multiple blocks of content in a sidebar, and using <code>&lt;header&gt;</code> with <code>&lt;hgroup&gt;</code>.</p>
<h2><abbr>HTML</abbr> and AJAX</h2>
<p>Arie asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m still learning about <abbr>html</abbr>5 and javascript, I&#8217;m wondering how <abbr>html</abbr>5 makes doing a lot of the things currently done in ajax and javascript more simple.  Is it by providing things like the canvas that unify ideas?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Certain parts of <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 will indeed simplify or reduce the need for JavaScript. One such area of improvement is Web Forms 2.0, which will handle client-side form validation in the browser and provide new input types (like <code>&lt;input type="email"&gt;</code> that checks for a valid email address). Of course, you&#8217;ll still need to validate your forms on the server, but at least the browser will catch the most obvious mistakes before the user actually submits the form.</p>
<p>Other parts of <abbr>HTML</abbr>5, like <a href="http://html5doctor.com/introducing-web-sql-databases/">Web SQL Databases</a> and <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code>, are essentially JavaScript <abbr>API</abbr>s. They may not cut down on your need for JavaScript, but they do provide a consistent interface to some powerful functionality and will enable your application or site to do more things within (or outside of) the browser.</p>
<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
<h2><code>&lt;div&gt;</code> or <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>?</h2>
<p>Paul asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hello</p>
<p>I see you are using divs on your website, I thought divs should be replaced by more semantic tags such as sections or article. what did I miss?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Hi Paul,</p>
<p>Just like with <abbr>HTML</abbr>4, you shouldn&#8217;t use <code>&lt;div&gt;</code>s or <code>&lt;span&gt;</code>s where another, more precise element would fit the bill. But for grouping arbitrary content, <code>&lt;div&gt;</code>s and <code>&lt;span&gt;</code>s remain the way to go.</p>
<p>Thanks, Bruce</p>
<h2><abbr>HTML</abbr>5 and <abbr>IE</abbr>6</h2>
<p>Adam asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Greetings HTML5 Doctor,</p>
<p>Is it at all possible to have a <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 layout while 30% of our users are running <abbr>IE</abbr>6? We are an <abbr>IT</abbr> company and our website is very large so having separate versions is completely impractical. <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 would allow us to move on and keep our markup a lot simpler but with no concrete guarantees regarding universal support is <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 ever going to get off the ground within 5 years while not having to resort to javascript solutions?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Simply change the doctype and you&#8217;ll be writing <abbr>HTML</abbr>5! If you want to use new elements, however, you&#8217;ll need to use JavaScript to support them (for all versions of <abbr>IE</abbr> up to <abbr>IE</abbr>8). The best place to start? Read <a href="http://html5doctor.com/author/remys/">Remy&#8217;s</a> article on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/how-to-get-html5-working-in-ie-and-firefox-2/">How to get <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 working in <abbr>IE</abbr> and Firefox 2</a>.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re in a position to do something about this. By using the new doctype, block-level links, and new form input types (that degrade gracefully), we can start promoting <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 <em>right now</em>.</p>
<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
<h2>Multiple blocks in a sidebar</h2>
<p>Bart asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>On my page (revora.net) I have a sidebar with content that I deem appropriate for the <code>aside</code> element. The sidebar contains several blocks of content. I&#8217;ve currently made the whole bar <code>aside</code> and made the blocks <code>div</code>. Is this correct, or should I do it the other way around?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It sounds like your first approach is correct. The <code>&lt;div&gt;</code>s might be <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>s or maybe <code>&lt;nav&gt;</code> elements though, depending on their content. I suggest you read our article (and the comments) on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/aside-revisited/">the <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code> element</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Tom</p>
<h2>Header with <code>&lt;hgroup&gt;</code></h2>
<p>Diego asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi,</p>
<p>This structure is right?</p>
<pre><code>&lt;section id="choose-tip"&gt;
   &lt;header&gt;
       &lt;hgroup&gt;
           &lt;h1&gt;Foo Bar&lt;/h1&gt;
           &lt;h2&gt;Baz Bat Qux&lt;/h2&gt;
       &lt;/hgroup&gt;
   &lt;/header&gt;
   &lt;p&gt;lorem ipsum&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/section&gt;</code></pre>
<p>What I mean is, if I have a HEADER with just 2 H(n) I need to put these into a HGROUP ? Or&#8230; I can remove the HEADER and leave just a HGROUP? What&#8217;s the better solutions for it?</p>
<p>Thanks for all,</p>
<p>Diego Tres</p>
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<p>What you have is correct. Basically, in the document outline, you will only see &#8220;Foo Bar&#8221; as the heading for that section. &#8220;Baz Bat Qux&#8221; will be hidden from the outline.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t <em>have</em> to use a <code>&lt;header&gt;</code> within your <code>&lt;section&gt;</code> or an <code>&lt;hgroup&gt;</code> within your <code>&lt;header&gt;</code>. Similarly, you don&#8217;t <em>have</em> to use a <code>&lt;header&gt;</code> around your <code>&lt;hgroup&gt;</code>.</p>
<p>To summarise, the best solution (if you don&#8217;t require the <code>&lt;h2&gt;</code> to appear in the document outline) is what you&#8217;ve already got.</p>
<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
<h2>Got a question for us?</h2>
<p>That wraps up this round of questions! If you&#8217;ve got a query about the <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 spec or how to implement it, you can <a href="http://html5doctor.com/ask-the-doctor/">get in touch</a> with us and we&#8217;ll do our best to help.</p>
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<p><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/html5doctor-treatment.gif" alt="Doctor treating a patient illustration" class="alignright size-full wp-image-424" /> We&#8217;re back with our first roundup of your questions for 2010. In this article, we&#8217;ll be covering a range of topics including sections and sectioning, the <code>&lt;img&gt;</code> element, scaling video, and a proposal for a <code>&lt;field&gt;</code> element. </p>
<h2>Headers and sidebars</h2>
<p>Ad asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hello,</p>
<p>I have 2 questions:</p>
<p>1. If I have my main navigation above the masterhead would best practise be having the nav tag inside of a header tag with the h1 and h2 in a hgroup? Or should the nav and header tag be separate?</p>
<p>2. I am building a blog in HTML5. It has a blog-like sidebar with articles, contact info and about info in it. Would the best tag to wrap this in be section or aside?</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your time,<br />
Ad Taylor</p></blockquote>
<p>Placing your <code>&lt;nav&gt;</code> within your <code>&lt;header&gt;</code> is fine and valid. However, if it makes more sense to leave it outside, then you can do that too. You don&#8217;t need to put the <code>&lt;hgroup&gt;</code> inside the <code>&lt;nav&gt;</code> though.</p>
<p>See our articles on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-header-element/"><code>&lt;header&gt;</code></a> and <a href="http://html5doctor.com/nav-element/"><code>&lt;nav&gt;</code></a> for more on this.</p>
<p>Regarding your second question, I would use <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code> (as we&#8217;ve done on the HTML5 doctor site) and then use multiple sections within that. Also see Bruce&#8217;s article on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/designing-a-blog-with-html5/">Designing a blog with HTML5</a>.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
<h2>HTML5 <code>&lt;img&gt;</code> element</h2>
<p>Martijn asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>As you are, according to the slogan, &#8220;helping [me] implement HTML5 today,&#8221; I thought to bother you people with a spec. related question.</p>
<p>What should an UA do with an image without specified width and height attributes?</p>
<p>The dimension attributes part of the specification keeps stating &#8220;if specified&#8221; for every rule but doesn&#8217;t give any &#8220;if not specified&#8221;.</p>
<p>The part of the specification defining the img element itself does not state anything of importance about the dimension attributes apart from how the attributes in the DOM should be created by the UA.</p>
<p>Interesting is to note that they have omitted these attributes in all their img element examples.</p>
<p>In the dimension attribute section they go state the following.</p>
<p> &#8211; The dimension attributes are not intended to be used to stretch the image.</p>
<p>So we can only use them to make images smaller? This is odd as well so let&#8217;s say by stretch they mean to say both expending and shrinking in size. In this case the attributes can only be used for two cases:</p>
<p>1. To state the exact width and height of the image. Something that seems redundant unless not using those attributes means the UA can display the image at any size (which it might, as nothing about this is defined in the spec.).</p>
<p>2. To give a 0 in both attributes. By this I am telling the UA that the image is not to be seen by the user.</p>
<p>Am I missing something or is the specification missing this?</p>
<p>Looking forward to getting your prescription <img src='http://html5doctor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kind Regards, Martijn</p></blockquote>
<p>If no dimension attributes are specified, the browser will leave no space for the image, and once the image has been loaded (after the rest of the page), it will then need to reflow the entire page, as that&#8217;s the first time it knows the size of the image. This can cause the content you&#8217;re reading scrolling off the page.</p>
<p>If you give the size of the image as attributes in the HTML, the browser will leave space and render the image there once it&#8217;s loaded without reflowing the page. On a mobile phone, reflowing the page unnecessarily drains the battery, and users can get vertigo from the page&#8217;s text jumping around to accommodate images.</p>
<p>Thanks, Bruce</p>
<h2>Section and Sectioning</h2>
<p>Yanoo asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi,</p>
<p>What do you mean when you are talking about &#8220;sectioning&#8221;? And why don&#8217;t header and footer require sectioning?</p>
<p>I think about section and sectioning like about part of something defined. News, comment, page content, sidebar, *header*, and *footer*. Is it bad representation?</p></blockquote>
<p>Sectioning relates to the headings in some block of related content and defining what is related to what in a hierarchy of headings (<code>&lt;h1&gt;</code>&ndash;<code>&lt;h6&gt;</code>). The outlining algorithm can produce a table of contents from the nested <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>, <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>, <code>&lt;nav&gt;</code>, and <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code> elements.</p>
<p>Headers and footers themselves do not change the outline; a header or footer may contain no headings. If a header or footer <em>does</em> contain a heading, then that heading does come into the outline. See our article on <a href="http://html5doctor.com/the-section-element/">the section element</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, Bruce</p>
<h2>Scaling the Video</h2>
<p>Ian asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Not sure if this question is an appropriate one, but any help would be really appreciated.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going about updating my video website, chutney.ie, and would love to implement HTML5. I am interested in replicating the scaling effect/style used on the <a href="http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.5/firstrun/">Mozilla welcome page</a>.</p>
<p>Not being overly knowledgeable in this area, I would love to know how to begin &mdash; is this effect a Flash based animation, or something that can be achieved with HTML alone?</p>
<p>Again, any nudge in the right direction would be great.</p>
<p>Many thanks,</p>
<p>Ian</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how Mozilla did it, but you can use some of the Webkit and Mozilla transforms on the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> element. For example, you can cause the video to grow on hover &mdash; <a href="http://people.opera.com/patrickl/articles/introduction-html5-video/transitions/">see this example in Chrome, Safari, or Opera</a>. You can also use the <code>:target</code> pseudoclass to initiate animations. Alternatively, you can use a JavaScript <code>onClick</code> event to create the same effect. </p>
<p>You can also combine <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code> to provide some interesting results (laying the <code>&lt;canvas&gt;</code> over the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code>). For more on the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> element and what it can do, please read the <a href="http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/introduction-html5-video/">Introduction to <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 Video</a> on dev Opera written by <a href="http://twitter.com/brucel">Bruce Lawson</a> and <a href="http://twitter.com/patrick_h_lauke">Patrick Lauke</a>.</p>
<p>Cheers, Rich</p>
<h2>We need a <code>&lt;field&gt;</code> tag</h2>
<p>John wrote in and proposed a field element:</p>
<blockquote><p>Hey there. First off thanks for the site. I was excited to find it. I spent a little time on the W3C site and honestly couldn&#8217;t figure out how to submit suggestions there. So going to submit mine to you guys and maybe you can pass it on (if it is good) or point me to someone that can help. Ok to the point:</p>
<p>We are getting nice new tags to with HTML5 (nav, footer, etc) to help us create more semantic code. I think what we really need is a <code>field</code> tag &mdash; after all what are fieldsets sets of?</p>
<p>Everyone wraps up their labels and inputs with some element. Some of us do this with UL, some people do it with DT/DD, some with DIVs and some people out there insist that a form is tabular data.</p>
<p>We are all just bastardizing these elements because there is no clear semantic wrapper for field elements of a form.</p>
<p>I think you get the point. I&#8217;m trying to keep this email short. If you think there is anything to this argument, I have a more detailed summary (with example code) at:</p>
<p><a href="http://john.mirick.me/2009/10/what-is-really-set-of-shouldnt-we-have.html">http://john.mirick.me/2009/10/what-is-really-set-of-shouldnt-we-have.html</a></p>
<p>I would love to hear your thoughts on this.</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
John</p></blockquote>
<p>While a field element would be nice &mdash; it would stop the argument over how best to mark-up forms &mdash; you have to ask yourself whether or not it actually adds any semantic or functional value to an HTML document. Yes, wrapping inputs and their labels in a field would make things easier to read and drop the need for the <code>for</code> attribute on the label (since the relationship can be assumed), but doing so would not be backwards compatible. In theory, we could continue to add <code>for</code> until there is a suitable time to drop it, but again I question the value of such a tag.</p>
<p>The purpose of wrapping form input/label pairs is generally to ease styling. My personal stance is that unless there are case studies showing how such an element can add more value to HTML forms, this proposal won&#8217;t make it very far.</p>
<p>Regards, Mike</p>
<h2>Got a question for us?</h2>
<p>That wraps up this round of questions. If you&#8217;ve got a query about the HTML5 spec or how to implement it, you can <a href="http://html5doctor.com/ask-the-doctor/">get in touch</a> with us and we&#8217;ll do our best to help. </p>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Lawson</dc:creator>
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<p>We  doctors are a bunch of chums using <abbr>HTML</abbr>5 and writing about how we do it. Apart from spurious requests for medical advice, the questions we receive most are about using the <code>section</code> element, and we realise that we&#8217;ve been using  the <code>section</code> element incorrectly all this time. </p>
<p>Sorry.</p>
<p>What we&#8217;ve been doing wrong is using <code>section</code> to wrap content in order to style it, or to demarcate the main content area from the <code>nav</code>, <code>header</code>, <code>footer</code> etc. These are jobs for <code>div</code>, not <code>section</code>.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-section-element">section spec</a> says</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-section-element"><p>The section element represents a generic document or application section&hellip;The section element is not a generic container element. When an element is needed for styling purposes or as a convenience for scripting, authors are encouraged to use the div element instead. </p></blockquote>
<p><code>section</code> is a blob of content that you could store as an individual record in a database. It generally looks like this (and note that the heading goes inside the section element, not immediately before it):</p>
<pre><code>&lt;section&gt;
&lt;h1&gt;Any level of heading&lt;/h1&gt;
rest of the content
&lt;/section&gt;</code></pre>
<p>With very few exceptions, section should not be used if there is no natural heading for it. Check your work in the <a href="http://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/"><abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 outiner tool</a>. If you see any instances of &#8220;untitled section&#8221; that corresponds to a section, you&#8217;re probably doing it wrong. (It&#8217;s fine for a nav or aside element to be untitled, however).</p>
<p>Section is also the most generic of the sectioning elements. Make certain that you don&#8217;t really need an <code>article</code>, which is <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-article-element">defined as</a></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-article-element"><p>a composition that forms an independent part of a document, page, application, or site. This could be a forum post, a magazine or newspaper article, a Web log entry, a user-submitted comment, an interactive widget, or any other independent item of content</p></blockquote>
<p><section></p>
<h3>What about main content?</h3>
<p>In <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 you can specifically mark up all the &#8220;secondary&#8221; content on a page such as navigation, branding, copyright notices, so it feels odd that you can&#8217;t specifically mark up the most important part of your page&mdash;the content.</p>
<p>But what would be the purpose of marking it up specifically, anyway? If you need to style it, use a <code>div</code>. An assistive technlogy like a screenreader can find the main content because it is the first thing inside a page that isn&#8217;t a header, nav or footer.<br />
</section></p>
<p><section></p>
<h3>Rules of thumb for using <code>section</code></h3>
<p>Of course, there are always exceptions, but these should give useful guidance for 99% of cases:</p>
<ul>
<li>Don&#8217;t use it just as hook for styling or scripting; that&#8217;s a <code>div</code></li>
<li>Don&#8217;t use it  if <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-article-element">article</a>, <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-nav-element">aside</a> or <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-nav-element">nav</a> is more appropriate</li>
<li>Don&#8217;t use it unless there is naturally a heading at the start of the section</li>
<li>The revised spec (as of <time datetime="2009-09-16">16 September</time>) says:<br />
<blockquote><p>Authors are encouraged to use the article element instead of the section element when it would make sense to syndicate the contents of the element.</p></blockquote>
<p>As blogposts and comments are often syndicated (by being pulled into other blogs or being linked via twitter, reddit etc) they should be articles.
</ul>
<p><small>Thanks to Opera&#8217;s Lachlan Hunt for fact-checking this article. Please also note that we haven&#8217;t yet changed the WordPress theme to get rid of extra sections, so for now please do as we say and not as we do!</small>
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<p><img src="http://html5doctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/html5doctor-treatment.gif" alt="Doctor treating a patient illustration" class="alignright size-full wp-image-424" /> One week on since our official launch and we&#8217;ve been overwhelmed by your response to the site. It&#8217;s great to see a large number of you wanting to get involved with the discussion relating to <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 and asking about what you can and can&#8217;t do as well as the pro&#8217;s and cons of the specification.</p>
<p>In this post we&#8217;re going to cover a few of the questions we&#8217;ve received that don&#8217;t require a full post answer but still need to be addressed. We&#8217;ll post more answers everytime we&#8217;ve collated a bunch of questions so don&#8217;t be afraid to ask, however groundbreaking or insignificant it might be. Ok here we go for starters&hellip;</p>
<h2>Automated Conversion?</h2>
<p>Andy Mabbett wrote to ask:</p>
<blockquote><p>Are there (or will there be) any automated or semi-automated tools which will take my (valid) HTML 4.01 Strict documents and convert them to HTML5?</p></blockquote>
<p>While we don&#8217;t know about any specific conversion tools for converting to <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 from <abbr>HTML</abbr> 4.01. There are several articles (see below) describing how you can name your classes more semantically in preparation for using <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5. </p>
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<li><a href="http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/more_on_developing_naming_conventions_microformats_and_html5/">More on developing naming conventions, Microformats and HTML5</a></li>
<li><a href="http://jontangerine.com/log/2008/03/preparing-for-html5-with-semantic-class-names">Preparing for HTML5 with Semantic Class Names</a></li>
<li><a href="http://boblet.tumblr.com/post/60552152/html5">HTML5 id/class name cheatsheet</a></li>
</ul>
<p>A final point on this is that I&#8217;m not sure that it would be wise to have a converter in order to move from <abbr>HTML</abbr> 4.01 to <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5, a machine however clever will not really be able to understand the true meaning of <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code> or <code>&lt;figure&gt;</code> for example. I&#8217;d be interested to hear other peoples thoughts on this though?</p>
<h2>When should I start using <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5?</h2>
<p>James asked us (presumably a little tongue in cheek):</p>
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Dear Doctor, </p>
<p>When will I know that it is time to start using HTML5 &#8220;for real&#8221;? Will there be an announcement? </p>
<p>yours etc,<br />
James</p></blockquote>
<p>Now I&#8217;d love there to be an official annoucement, in fact I might just announce it now! <strong>You can all start using <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 today</strong>. There I said it, I feel so much better now. Seriously though, there is no reason for you not to start using <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 now in sites you&#8217;re developing. I&#8217;m not saying that you have to use it religiously, but at you should at least start thinking about it in your development roadmaps. We can see on our <a href="http://html5gallery.com/">sister site</a> that there are a number of sites using <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 &#8220;in the wild&#8221;. The amount of implementation varies greatly (some including <code>&lt;div&gt;</code>&#8217;s around their <code>&lt;header&gt;</code> elements for styling purposes for example) but they have begun to incorporate <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 right now.</p>
<p>Lastly, <a href="http://molly.com/">Molly</a> recently gave a talk at <a href="http://www.vivabit.com/atmedia2009/">@media</a> which touched upon this subject, she told us that</p>
<blockquote><p>Implementation trumps specification</p></blockquote>
<p>which I happen to firmly believe, after all <abbr>CSS</abbr> 2.1 isn&#8217;t a formal specification yet but almost everyone is using it. If you&#8217;re not sure where to start then I suggest taking a look at what browser implementations are currently like, which is where this <a href="http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Implementations_in_Web_browsers">Wiki from the WHATWG</a> comes in. Hope that answers your question James.</p>
<h2>Main Body</h2>
<p>Darren asked:</p>
<blockquote><p>How do I markup the main body of a page, are there &lt;content&gt; tags? Can I serve a SWF Flash file using &lt;VIDEO&gt; tags? </p>
<p>Regards Darren</p></blockquote>
<p>There isn&#8217;t a <code>&lt;content&gt;</code> tag (element), the most appropriate element for that would be <code>&lt;section&gt;</code>, however if only a single article is contained in that area you should use <code>&lt;article&gt;</code>.</p>
<p>As for the second part to your question, you *can&#8217;t* use a SWF file natively as the source to the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> tag, or FLV file for that matter.  However, for the foreseeable future you&#8217;re still going to need to embed flash for video, via nesting the flash within the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> tag.</p>
<p>First you&#8217;ll use the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> with nested source elements to fall through the different supported codecs.  Then when all else fails, particularly for IE, you&#8217;ll serve up the flash video via the <code>&lt;object&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;embed&gt;</code> combo.  This is because IE8 and lower doesn&#8217;t support the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> you&#8217;re going to need to fall back on something that works.</p>
<p>Make sure you read Tom&#8217;s article about <a href="/the-video-element/">the <code>&lt;video&gt;</code> element</a>, but you should also find this article on <a href="http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody">Video for Everybody</a> useful to see how to degrade through the codecs.</p>
<h2>More articles!</h2>
<p>Although not really a question I wanted to drop this in, August wrote to tell us:</p>
<blockquote><p>The <code>&lt;aside&gt;</code> article is awesome. Great explanation of a very semantic HTML5 element. More of those, please!</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks for the great feedback August, we&#8217;re happy to help, rest assured we&#8217;ve got plenty of articles lined up along those lines, in fact I know we&#8217;ve got a few crackers lined up for the next couple of weeks, so watch this space.</p>
<h2>And finally&hellip;</h2>
<p>If your question hasn&#8217;t been answered in this post or we haven&#8217;t got back to you directly then it&#8217;s more than likely that we&#8217;ll be covering it soon in a more detailed post so be sure to check back or subscribe to the <a href="http://html5doctor.com/feed/">RSS feed</a> for all future articles.</p>
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Much of HTML 5&#8217;s feature set involves JavaScript APIs that make it easier to develop interactive web pages but there are a slew of new elements that allow you extra semantics in your conventional Web 1.0 pages. In order to investigate these, let&#8217;s look at marking up a blog.
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<p>Much of <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5&#8217;s feature set involves JavaScript <abbr>API</abbr>s that make it easier to develop interactive web pages but there are a slew of new elements that allow you extra semantics in your conventional Web 1.0 pages. In order to investigate these, let&#8217;s look at marking up a blog.</p>
<p>Firstly what we&#8217;ll do is use the <code>header</code>, <code>footer</code>, <code>and nav </code>elements to mark up the broad structure of the page. We&#8217;ll make the blog comments form much smarter by using the new data types and built-in validation available in <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5-aware browsers. </p>
<p>Then we&#8217;ll do some work on the guts of the page, using <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5&#8217;s <code>article</code> elements to better mark up blog posts and comments and show how to use the <code>section</code> elements to better structure accessible hierarchical headings on sites that are <abbr>CMS</abbr>-driven. As blogs are chronologically ordered, we&#8217;ll  see what <abbr>HTML 5</abbr> offers us for representing dates and times.</p>
<p>So take the phone of the hook, and make a cup of tea and we&#8217;ll get started.</p>
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<h2>Setting the DOCTYPE</h2>
<p><abbr>HTML</abbr> 5, when used as plain <abbr>HTML</abbr> rather than its <abbr>XHTML</abbr> 5 sibling doesn&#8217;t need a DOCTYPE. But all browsers do, otherwise they go into <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirks_mode">Quirksmode</a>, which you don&#8217;t want: the collision of <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 and Quirksmode is like matter and anti-matter meeting, and will cause a negative reality inversion that will make your underwear catch fire. </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been warned, so at the top of your document, you need the line <code>&lt;!DOCTYPE html&gt;</code>.</p>
<p>Some sites &#8220;use&#8221; <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5, when in actual fact all they&#8217;ve done is take their existing code and change the DOCTYPE. That&#8217;s fine and dandy if you&#8217;ve been using valid, semantic code as <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 is very similar to valid <abbr>HTML</abbr> 4.01. <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2009/01/02/an-event-apart-and-html-5/">Eric Meyer mentions small differences</a> like &#8220;not permitting a value attribute on an image submit&#8221;, and there are a few differences between the languages, summarised in the document <a href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/html4-differences/">HTML 5 differences from HTML 4</a>.</p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t want simply to  rebadge my existing code, but to use some of the new structural elements now.</p>
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<h2>Using some new structural elements</h2>
<p>My blog &#8211; like millions of others &#8211; has a header denoted by <code>&lt;div id="header"&gt;</code>, a footer <code>&lt;div id="footer"&gt;</code>, some articles (wrapped by an area called &#8220;content&#8221;, <code>&lt;div id="content"&gt;</code>) and some navigation (wrapped up in an area called &#8220;sidebar&#8221; <code>&lt;div id="sidebar"&gt;</code>). Most sites on the Web have similar constructs, although depending on your choice they might be called &quot;branding&quot; or &quot;info&quot; or &quot;menu&quot;, or you might use the equivalent words in your own language. </p>
<p>Although these all have very different functions within the page, they  use  the same generic <code>div</code> in the markup. as <abbr>HTML 4</abbr> has no other way to code them. <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 has new elements for distinguishing  these logical areas: <code>header</code>, <code>nav</code>, <code>footer</code> and friends. (There&#8217;s  more on this in an artice by Lachlan Hunt on A List Apart: <a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/previewofhtml5">A Preview of <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5</a>.)</p>
<p>The overall aim is to replace this structure:</p>
<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/html5-before1.gif" alt="structure chart before redesign"></p>
<p>with this:</p>
<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/html5-after1.gif" alt="structure chart after redesign"></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a simple matter to change the <abbr>HTML</abbr> <code>div</code>s into the new elements. The only difficulty I had was deciding which element to use to mark up my sidebar, as it also includes a search field and &#8220;colophon&#8221; information as well as site-wide navigation. I decided against the <code>aside</code> element,  as <a href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-aside-element">the spec says</a> it &#8220;represents a section of a page that consists of content that is tangentially related to the content around the aside element, and which could be considered separate from that content&#8221;, but it&#8217;s nevertheless <em>content</em> rather than navigation. So I decided to go for the <code>nav</code> element as the closest fit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wrapped the main content in a <code>section</code> element (previously I&#8217;d kept it as a <code>div</code>). <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-section-element"><code>section</code> is defined</a> in the spec</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-section-element"><p>The section element represents a generic document or application section. A section, in this context, is a thematic grouping of content, typically with a heading, possibly with a footer.</p></blockquote>
<p class="warning"><strong>Please note: I no longer recommend wrapping the whole content area in a <code>section</code> element, and suggest that you use a <code>div</code> element. Read more about <a href="/the-section-element">using section appropriately</a>.</strong></p>
<p>In this case, the &#8220;generic document section&#8221; is that of main content. I&#8217;ve retained an <code>id</code> so that a <a href="http://juicystudio.com/article/skip-links.php">skip links</a> feature will work, although I hope that in the future, assistive technology will offer an automatic way for people to go to the first <code>section</code> or <code>article</code>.</p>
<p>My fellow <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 doctor, Remy Sharp, also notes  that if you retain the <code>div</code>, Internet Explorer without JavaScript would style the div, but none of the other content, making the site  very hard to read.</p>
<p></section><br />
<section></p>
<h2>New form attributes</h2>
<p>As well as the main structural item on the page, I&#8217;ve added some new attributes on <code>input</code> elements in the comments form.</p>
<p><abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 was designed to reflect what developers actually do rather than to reflect a philosophical purity, and that&#8217;s very clearly manifested in the new attributes which mean the browser takes up much of the work currently done by developers re-inventing validation routines in JavaScript. (Extending forms functionality was <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/introduction.html#history-0">how the <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 spec began</a>).</p>
<p>So I amended the email input field in the comments to be <code>input type="email"</code> which means that when the user submits the form, an <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5-aware browser will use built-in validation routines to check that it&#8217;s in the correct format, without any JavaScript. Check it out in the current version of <a href="http://www.opera.com/">Opera</a>, as that the only full implementation at the time of writing (June 2009), and note that it also adds a &#8220;mail&#8221; icon in the input field as a cue to the user.</p>
<p>There are similar input validation routines triggered by some of the  new <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/forms.html#attr-input-type"><code>input</code> types</a>, such as <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/forms.html#url-state"><code>url</code></a> (which I use on the field that asks for the user&#8217;s web address), <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/forms.html#number-state"><code>number</code></a> and <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/forms.html#attr-input-pattern"><code>pattern</code></a> which compares the input with an arbitrary regular expression.</p>
<p>Another good example is <code>input type="date"</code>, which pops up a calendar widget/ date picker when the user focusses on the input field. You can <a href="http://people.opera.com/brucel/demo/html5-forms-demo.html">test the date picker</a>, or here&#8217;s a screenshot from Opera 9.6:</p>
<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/html5-form-date.gif" alt="date picker pops up next to input field"></p>
<p>A very useful new attribute I used on both <code>input</code> fields for commenter&#8217;s name and email address, and the comment <code>textarea</code> was <code>type="required"</code> which generates a message on submission if the fields are left blank. Each different localisation of a browser would need to have a different message, and it&#8217;s not (so far) customisable by the developer. </p>
<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/html5-required-feedback.gif" alt="red-bordered browser message 'You have to specify a value'" next to unfilled required field"></p>
<p>The good thing with all this new form fabulousness is it&#8217;s all formed around new attributes on an exisiting element, so people using older browsers just see a plain old <code>input</code> field.</p>
<p>    <section></p>
<h3>A note on screenreaders and <abbr>HTML 5</abbr></h3>
<p>I hope screenreaders are ready for these new interactions; I asked the html 5 group to formally <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/1249.html">invite screenreader vendors to participate</a> in the specification; to my knowledge, <a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Aug/0795.html">none have done so</a>.</p>
<p>    </section><br />
</section><br />
<section></p>
<h2>Laying out the new elements</h2>
<p>It&#8217;s not too hard to layout the new elements. In all the non-<abbr>IE</abbr> browsers, you can lay out anything using <abbr>CSS</abbr> &#8211; even a <a href="http://people.opera.com/brucel/demo/html5-nonsense-element.html">nonsense element</a>. One gotcha  is that that the current crop of browsers have no &#8220;knowledge&#8221; of these elements, although <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_layout_engines_(HTML_5)">support is improving all the time</a>.</p>
<p>All browsers have default settings for the elements they &#8220;know about&#8221;&mdash;how much padding, margin they element gets, does it display as a block or inline?. (Here&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/sample.html">sample default stylesheet</a>.) Unless over-ridden by <abbr>CSS</abbr>, these defaults apply. But the browsers don&#8217;t know about <code>header</code>, <code>nav</code> and the like, so have no defaults to apply to them.</p>
<p>I got terrible rendering oddities until I explicitly told the browsers </p>
<pre><code>header, footer, nav, article {display:block;}</code></pre>
<p>    <section></p>
<h3><abbr>IE</abbr> layout</h3>
<p>There&#8217;s one gotcha about styling <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 pages in <abbr>IE</abbr>: it doesn&#8217;t work. You can force it to quite easily with a JavaScript hack <code>document.createElement('element name')</code>. (Lachlan Hunt gets to the bottom of <a href="http://blog.whatwg.org/supporting-new-elements-in-ie">why IE needs this</a>.)</p>
<p>For your convenience, Remy Sharp has written an <a href="http://remysharp.com/2009/01/07/html5-enabling-script/"><abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 enabling script</a> which I use in the header to conjure all the missing elements into existence all at once.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s be clear: <strong>this won&#8217;t work if your <abbr>IE</abbr> user doesn&#8217;t have JavaScript turned on</strong>. How much of that&#8217;s a big deal that is for you to decide. Pragmatically, it seems to me that the sites that will benefit the most from HTML 5’s new “Ajax”-style features, such as drag-and-drop, are the sites that currently have no hope of working without JavaScript. </p>
<p>    </section><br />
    <section></p>
<h3>Firefox 2 and Camino 1 layout</h3>
<p>Firefox 2 and Camino 1 both use Gecko 1.9 which has a bug and so gets grumpy if you don&#8217;t serve the page as <abbr>XHTML</abbr>. (Go figure; that&#8217;s almost enough to trigger a negative reality inversion and you know how bad that can be). However, Firefox and Camino users upgrade frequently so Firefox is in version 3, while Camino 2 beta is out, so the problem will soon cease to exist. (Read more at <a href="/how-to-get-html5-working-in-ie-and-firefox-2/">How to get HTML5 working in IE and Firefox 22</a> by Remy Sharp.)</p>
<p>    </section><br />
</section><br />
<section></p>
<h2>What&#8217;s the point of those new structural elements?</h2>
<p>Well, they add semantics to the page. The browser now knows which area of your site is the header or the footer because there are <code>header</code> and <code>footer</code> elements, whereas <code>div</code> might be called &#8220;branding&#8221; and &#8220;legal&#8221;, or even  &#8220;<span lang="fr">en-tete</span>&#8221; and &#8220;<span lang="fr">pied-de-page</span>&#8221; or &#8220;<span lang="de">kopfzeile</span>&#8221; and &#8220;<span lang="de">fusszeile</span>&#8220;.</p>
<p>But <em>so what</em>?</p>
<p>Robin Berjon expressed it beautifully in a <a href="http://www.alistapart.com/comments/semanticsinhtml5?page=2#12">comment on <cite>A List Apart</cite></a>: </p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.alistapart.com/comments/semanticsinhtml5?page=2#12">
<p>Pretty much everyone in the Web community agrees that “semantics are yummy, and will get you cookies”, and that’s probably true. But once you start digging a little bit further, it becomes clear that very few people can actually articulate a reason why. So before we all go another round on this, I have to ask: what’s it you wanna do with them darn semantics?</p>
<p>The general answer is “to repurpose content”. That’s fine on the surface, but you quickly reach a point where you have to ask “repurpose to what?” &hellip; I think <abbr>HTML</abbr> should add only elements that either expose functionality that would be pretty much meaningless otherwise (e.g. <code>canvas</code>) or that provide semantics that help repurpose for Web browsing uses.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>In my view, there are a couple of things I want to do with those semantics. The first is for search engine use; it&#8217;s easy to imagine Messrs Google or Yahoo! giving lower weighting to content in <code>footer</code> elements, or extra weight to content in the <code>header</code>. The second reason is to make the site navigable for people with disabilities. People with learning difficulties might instruct their browser always to put the articles before the navigation, for example. User agents might very well have a keyboard shortcut which jumped straight to the <code>nav</code> for example, or jumped straight past the navigation, in a programmatic implementation of &#8220;<a href="http://juicystudio.com/article/skip-links.php">skip links</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Which brings me to&hellip;</p>
<p></section><br />
<section></p>
<h2>Further refining the <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 structure</h2>
<p><section></p>
<h3>The blog home page</h3>
<p>An interesting thing about a blog homepage is that there are generally the last 5 or so posts, each with a heading, a &quot;body&quot; and data about the post (time, who wrote it, how many comments etc.) and usually a link to another page that has the full blog post (if the homepage just showed an excerpt) and its comments.</p>
<p><abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 has an <a href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-article-element"><code>article</code> element</a> which I use to wrap each story: </p>
<blockquote cite="http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-article-element">
<p>The article element represents a section of a page that consists of a composition that forms an independent part of a document, page, or site. This could be a forum post, a magazine or newspaper article, a Web log entry, a user-submitted comment, or any other independent item of content.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Let&#8217;s look in more detail at the guts of how I mark up each blogpost.</p>
<h3>Anatomy of a blog post</h3>
<p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/html5-article-outline.gif" alt="diagram of article structure; explanation follows"></p>
<p>The wrapper is no longer a generic <code>div</code> but an <code>article</code>. Within that is a <code>header</code>, comprising a heading (the title of the blogpost) and then the time of publication,  marked up using the <code>time</code> element.</p>
<p>Then there are the pearls of wit and wisdom that consitute each of my posts, marked up as paragraphs, blockquotes etc., and is pulled unchanged out of the database. Following that is data about the blog post (category, how many comments) marked up as a footer and, in the case of pages that show a single blogpost, there are comments expressing undying admiration and love. Finally, there may be navigation from one article to the next.</p>
<p>    <section></p>
<h4>Data about the article</h4>
<p>Following the content there is some &#8220;metadata&#8221; about the post: what category it&#8217;s in, how many comments there are. I&#8217;ve marked this up as <code>footer</code>.  I previously used <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-aside-element"><code>aside</code></a> which &#8220;represents a section of a page that consists of content that is tangentially related to the content around the aside element, and which could be considered separate from that content&#8221; but decided that it was too much of a stretch; data <em>about</em> a post is intimately related.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#the-footer-element"><code>footer</code></a> is a much better fit: &#8220;A footer typically contains information about its section such as who wrote it, links to related documents, copyright data, and the like.&#8221; I was initially thrown off-course by the presentational name of the element; my use here isn&#8217;t at the bottom of the page, or even at the bottom of the article, but it certainly seems to fit the bill &#8211; it&#8217;s information about its section, containing author name, links to related documents (comments) and the like. There&#8217;s no reason that you can&#8217;t have more than one <code>footer</code> on page; the spec&#8217;s description says &quot;the footer element represents a footer for the section it applies to&quot; and a page may have any number of sections. The spec also says &quot;Footers don&#8217;t necessarily have to appear at the end of a section, though they usually do.&quot;</p>
<p>    </section><br />
    <section></p>
<h4>Comments</h4>
<p>I&#8217;ve marked up comments as <code>article</code>s, too, as the spec says that an <code>article</code> could be &#8220;a user-submitted comment&#8221;, but nested these inside the parent <code>article</code>. The spec says</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-article-element"><p>When article elements are nested, the inner article elements represent articles that are in principle related to the contents of the outer article. For instance, a Web log entry on a site that accepts user-submitted comments could represent the comments as article elements nested within the article element for the Web log entry.</p></blockquote>
<p>These are headed with the  date and the time of the comment and name of its author&mdash;if you want, you can wrap these in a <code>header</code>, too, but to me it seems like markup for the sake of it.</p>
<p>    </section><br />
    <section></p>
<h4>Times and dates</h4>
<p>Most blogs, news sites and the like provide dates of article publication.</p>
<p>Microformats people, the most vocal advocates of marking up dates and times, believe that  computer-formatted dates are best for people: their <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=date-design-pattern&#038;diff=37974&#038;oldid=34166">wiki  says</a> &#8220;the ISO8601 YYYY-MM-DD format for dates is the best choice that is the most accurately readable for the most people worldwide, and thus the most accessible as well&#8221;. I don&#8217;t agree (and neither do candidates in my vox pop of non-geeks, my wife, brother and parents). </p>
<p>I do agree with the microformats people that <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/principles">hidden metadata is not as good as visible, human-readable data</a> and therefore elected not to use the <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/semantics.html#the-article-element"><code>pubdate</code> attribute of <code>article</code></a>.</p>
<p>Therefore I&#8217;ve used the <abbr>HTML</abbr> 5 <code>time</code> element to give a  machine parsable date to computers, while giving people a human-readable date. Blog posts get the date, while comments get the date and time.</p>
<p>The spec is quite hard to understand, in my opinion, but the format you use is 2004-02-28T15:19:21+00:00, where T separates the date and the time, and the + (or a -) is the offset from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time"><abbr>UTC</abbr></a>. Dates on their own don&#8217;t need a timezone; full datetimes do. Oddly, the spec suggests that if you use a time without a date, you don&#8217;t need a timezone either.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s considerable controversy over the time element at the moment. Recently one of the inner circle, <a href="http://lists.whatwg.org/htdig.cgi/whatwg-whatwg.org/2009-March/018687.html">Henri Sivonen, wrote</a> that it&#8217;s for marking up future events only and not for timestamping blogs or news items: &#8220;The expected use cases of hCalendar are mainly transferring <i>future</i> event entries from a Web page into an application like iCal.&quot; This seems very silly to me; if there is a <code>time</code> element, why not allow me to mark up any time or date? </p>
<p>The <a href="http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-time-element">spec for <code>time</code></a> does not mention the future event-only restriction: &quot;The time element represents a precise date and/or a time in the proleptic Gregorian calendar&quot; and gives three examples, two of which are about the past and none of which are &quot;future events&quot;. Although the spec doesn&#8217;t (currently) limit use of the element, it does limit format to precise dates in &quot;the proleptic Gregorian calendar&quot;. This means I can mark up an archive page for &quot;all blog posts today&quot; using time, but not &quot;all July 2008 posts&quot; as that&#8217;s not a full YYYY-MM-DD date. Neither can you mark up precise, but ancient dates, so the date of Julius Ceasar&#8217;s assassination, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March">15 March 44 <abbr>BC</abbr></a> is not compatible.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect this to be resolved. If you think as I do, feel free to <a href="http://www.whatwg.org/mailing-list#specs">mail the Working Group</a> to express your feeling!</p>
<p>    </section><br />
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