Comments on: The hgroup element http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/ helping you implement HTML5 today Mon, 21 May 2012 10:47:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: vijaysany http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-25260 vijaysany Sat, 14 Apr 2012 06:47:29 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-25260 the thing i have doubt is when to use and when not to use the and . can any one place a good tutorial on this. thanks the thing i have doubt is when to use and when not to use the and . can any one place a good tutorial on this.

thanks

]]> By: James Donaldson http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-24923 James Donaldson Wed, 07 Mar 2012 22:21:39 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-24923 When I see the requirement that only that only <h1>...<h6> tags should appear inside an , is there an implicit qualification that that<a> and <img> are implicit qualifications to this if they appear inside <h1>...<h6> tags themselves? When I see the requirement that only that only <h1>…<h6> tags should appear inside an , is there an implicit qualification that that<a> and <img> are implicit qualifications to this if they appear inside <h1>…<h6> tags themselves?

]]> By: Alice Wonder http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-21249 Alice Wonder Fri, 13 Jan 2012 08:53:03 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-21249 I've heard it is on the chopping block as well. I currently use it but not within article semantics, I use it within document level header element (where role="banner") to have web site name followed by tag line. Since it is outside the scope of main content, it's semantic value really is not worth anything to me, and if I end up needing to switch back to div element to wrap those headings, it won't make a lick of difference as far as I can tell to any html clients. I’ve heard it is on the chopping block as well.
I currently use it but not within article semantics, I use it within document level header element (where role=”banner”) to have web site name followed by tag line.

Since it is outside the scope of main content, it’s semantic value really is not worth anything to me, and if I end up needing to switch back to div element to wrap those headings, it won’t make a lick of difference as far as I can tell to any html clients.

]]> By: John F. Mercer http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-18598 John F. Mercer Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:27:53 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-18598 I've heard that the element is about to get tossed out of the spec. Is this true? Could anyone clarify this for me? Thanks. I’ve heard that the element is about to get tossed out of the spec. Is this true? Could anyone clarify this for me? Thanks.

]]> By: Patrick Samphire http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-18480 Patrick Samphire Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:09:45 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-18480 @Ckuhn203 You need to look more closely at the HTML5 specification. You can have multiple headers and footers, one of each for the page, and one of each for any of the sectioning elements on the page. You don't <strong>have</strong> to have them, but they demarcate the header and footer parts of sectioning elements when they are needed. @Ckuhn203

You need to look more closely at the HTML5 specification. You can have multiple headers and footers, one of each for the page, and one of each for any of the sectioning elements on the page. You don’t have to have them, but they demarcate the header and footer parts of sectioning elements when they are needed.

]]> By: Brent Lagerman http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-18479 Brent Lagerman Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:07:02 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-18479 @CKuhn you're thinking about the old way of writing HTML, HTML5 introduces sectioning elements to break up your document into different sections, articles, asides.. etc... Each of these can have it's own header and footer and each should have it's own heading structure starting with H1, so you do end up with a lot of header tags, footer tags and LOTS of H1s... At first this seems kinda insane I agree, but it is a good thing, it helps parts of your document be split out for syndication, it also give you the ability to mark up your document in a way that gives it a very useful outline which could be used by screen readers and helps google and other spiders understand what your document is about... brent @ mimoYmima.com @CKuhn you’re thinking about the old way of writing HTML, HTML5 introduces sectioning elements to break up your document into different sections, articles, asides.. etc… Each of these can have it’s own header and footer and each should have it’s own heading structure starting with H1, so you do end up with a lot of header tags, footer tags and LOTS of H1s… At first this seems kinda insane I agree, but it is a good thing, it helps parts of your document be split out for syndication, it also give you the ability to mark up your document in a way that gives it a very useful outline which could be used by screen readers and helps google and other spiders understand what your document is about…

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]]> By: Ckuhn203 http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-18478 Ckuhn203 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:00:30 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-18478 @ Patrick I'm not a professional web developer or programmer, but I have enough experience to know that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. All of the documentation I have seen implies that header and footer should be used as the header and footer of the page. In my opinion this is good practice as it clearly defines the different sections of your page. What exactly does it mean to have two headers on a site? Does this mean your logo, site title, and horizontal nav bar show up twice, or is there confusion about what these tags are for? @ Patrick
I’m not a professional web developer or programmer, but I have enough experience to know that just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should. All of the documentation I have seen implies that header and footer should be used as the header and footer of the page. In my opinion this is good practice as it clearly defines the different sections of your page. What exactly does it mean to have two headers on a site? Does this mean your logo, site title, and horizontal nav bar show up twice, or is there confusion about what these tags are for?

]]> By: Brent Lagerman http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-18477 Brent Lagerman Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:44:30 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-18477 <blockquote>I guess I still just don't really see a desperate point for it (hgroup)... I get how to use it, but I need to look at the outliner in more detail I guess.</blockquote> It's very useful once you understand how the outliner works. Lots of times you want to have a subheading for a header and the most logical markup for that would be another heading tag with a lower number, but you almost never want that to show up in your page outline so this hgroup tag give you the ability to bundle them both together and only the first one gets outlined... b r e n t

I guess I still just don’t really see a desperate point for it (hgroup)… I get how to use it, but I need to look at the outliner in more detail I guess.

It’s very useful once you understand how the outliner works. Lots of times you want to have a subheading for a header and the most logical markup for that would be another heading tag with a lower number, but you almost never want that to show up in your page outline so this hgroup tag give you the ability to bundle them both together and only the first one gets outlined…

b r e n t

]]> By: Patrick Samphire http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-18476 Patrick Samphire Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:37:16 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-18476 <blockquote>You should only have one header tag and one footer tag on a page.</blockquote> I'm not sure that I understand your comments, but it's certainly not true that you can only have one header tag and one footer tag per page.

You should only have one header tag and one footer tag on a page.

I’m not sure that I understand your comments, but it’s certainly not true that you can only have one header tag and one footer tag per page.

]]> By: CKuhn203 http://html5doctor.com/the-hgroup-element/#comment-18474 CKuhn203 Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:50:38 +0000 http://html5doctor.com/?p=1052#comment-18474 Any way... I forgot to escape. You should only have one header tag and one footer tag on a page. The hgroup defines a heading with a subheading. This adds some semantics to a style convention that a lot of authors like to use. Like I said, simple. What's everyone so up in arms about? Any way… I forgot to escape. You should only have one header tag and one footer tag on a page. The hgroup defines a heading with a subheading. This adds some semantics to a style convention that a lot of authors like to use. Like I said, simple. What’s everyone so up in arms about?

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